An uncommon dialogue between author of the books “Conversations with God” Neale Donald Walsch and Psychic medium Becky Walsh. On 20 May 2005 at the Hotel Bristol. Special thanks to Rob Dunbarton.
Becky: I just want to start by saying thank you. Thanks ever so much for having an interview with us and I wanted to, in honour of your books, call the interview “Conversations with Walsh”, as we are both Walshes, but that’s slightly difficult because your surname is spelt Walsch, but I’m dyslexic so I get confused and mine is Walsh. Where does the spelling of your surname come from?
Neale: My father had the name Walsalowski, which is Polish in origin and when he came to the United States, or his family did, they brought that name with them, and then my father was born in the United States, but he soon found out that no-one could pronounce his name, much less spell it, so he Americanized it and turned it in to Walsch.
Becky: Now I know we are definitely not related. You know when someone is called “man of God”, that is usually kind of related to the Church, and through your books it has become very obvious to me that everyone is like a “person of God”, so who is God? That’s a big question, I suppose.
Neale: No, I think it’s a rather simple question and the question might best be answered with a question in return, of who is not God? My awareness and my understanding is that there is nothing, in existence, that is not God. The confusion that we find ourselves in, so many people, is that we imagine God to be something that is separate from the rest of that which is, separate from us, separate from the universe, separate from everything, who apparently created everything and then stood back and watched it all slowly disintegrate in front of him, I guess, or do whatever it is going to do. And then after some process that takes place, presumably, these things that He created wind up in some way or another returning back to him, whatever it is He thinks He needs to get out of it. It is an interesting construction, but in my understanding it is entirely and wholly faulty, in that is not even close to representing how things really are. If there is a God, it could best be described, I think, in terms of the all that is, that God would be: that which is everything, in other words, that exists. Now what’s fascinating about this is that most religions actually use those words to describe God, that is most religions describe God as the All in All, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, and most religions describe God in such a way that it is implied if not understood that God is in fact, the whole of it, and yet having said that, religions on the other hand, teach separate kind of entity, that while He created all of it, which I mentioned a moment ago, it’s not part of that that He created, and I think that’s what I call separation of theology. A theology that teaches that there is a separation between the Creator and the created. I believe, and it’s interesting because again because religions, you’re the father figure, most religions, use the father figure to describe God, God the Father, Our Father who art in Heaven and so forth, and yet in every earthly way, we know that parents are very much a part of their children, I mean, they are biologically part of their children and we are biologically part of each other, and therefore it seems reasonable to assume that the Creator and the created could be one and part of the same thing. I think that the separation theology that humanity have embraced and adopted and sought to apply in every day life has done more to separate ourselves from each other as well as from God and even from life itself, that we feel in some way separate from life, and life is something we’re living, not just something we are, if we felt that we were actually life, we would treat everything else in life in an entirely different way. We would have the same feeling towards a flowers, the grass, the world at large, the environment itself and so forth the planet as we have towards our own bodies and we would treat everything in life, the way we treat ourselves, which is not all that good in fact, in any event, but at least it’s better than how we treat each other. Although there are some people that say we should treat each other at least as good as we treat our cars.
Becky: Depends which car you have!
Neale: Depends which car you’re talking about. But the point that I wish to make is that our separation theology has created almost all the conflict that we see in the world today, both the inner conflict that occurs within human beings individually as well as the societal conflicts that make such a mass of dysfunctions as we tend to interact collectively and every other shape and form that conflict represents itself in, political conflict, economic conflict, which we call competition, and the obvious thing which is military conflict, and we keep trying to settle our problems of conflict by attempting to solve the conflicting desires of humanity for every level except the level on which society exists and every level except the level where the problem is. So we try to solve our human problems with these politics, but we find that it doesn’t work. We try and try and try again, and we keep going around in circles, and the problems keep rearing themselves in the same form, but at different times, but when we realize that politics and political interventions aren’t going to work we try and make use of economics to try and heal the problem, that is we throw money at it or we withhold money from it in the form of sanctions or some other kind of financial or economic manipulation that we imagine will cause people to act in a different way, but that doesn’t work either, not in the long run, or even in the short run, and then we say, okay it isn’t a political problem or an economic problem, must be a military problem and so we throw bombs at it or bullets and that doesn’t work either. That doesn’t serve to change people’s behaviour in the long run, it can modify people’s behaviour in the short term, but the long run, again as history has proven, humanity’s dysfunctional behaviour will continue to emerge and these kind of conflicting behaviours continue to present themselves, what then can man solve these problems in the long term?
The answer is spirituality.
That is the problem facing humanity today. It is not a political problem, it is not an economical problem and it is not a military problem, it is a spiritual problem, that is a simple question of who we imagine ourselves to be in relationship to each other, in relationship to all life and in relationship to a God, if indeed a God exists; who are we in relation to all of that? Until we answer that fundamental question, we will continue to confront the problems that this very primitive species that calls itself humanity insists on creating and re-creating over and over again, through the all the ages of time.